Uchiha Madara Real Face Unmasked! Tobi's Real Identity! NOT Uchiha Obito!
74Uchiha Madara New Mask!
And the real Uchiha Madara aka Tobi is....
By now we all already know that the "Uchiha Madara" aka Tobi that used to lead the Akatsuki is actually NOT the real "Uchiha Madara". This is because the real Uchiha Madara is already dead!
Some people are speculating that the masked man is probably Uchiha Madara's brother, Uchiha Izuna. However, remember the time when this masked man tried to show Sasuke his face? Even though in the end he couldn't because Itachi planted something to activate on his face if he were to show his face to Sasuke. But doesn't this mean that by showing his face to Sasuke means Sasuke would "immediately" recognize who he was? If he was Uchiha Izuna, Madara's brother, even if he shows his face to Sasuke, Sasuke wouldn't have any idea who he was, right? Some people are also speculating that the masked man is Uchiha Obito, which doesn't make sense, because Sasuke wouldn't know who Uchiha Obito was! Soon after it was revealed that the real Uchiha Madara is already dead, the speculations about Uchiha Obito being Tobi's real identity starting to circulate again just like years ago. Guys, that speculation is getting old! It is unlikely that Tobi is Obito! Old speculation is old!
OK, so who do I think this Tobi is? You read it here FIRST! It's Uchiha Fugaku! Uchiha Fugaku is Sasuke and Itachi's FATHER!!
I strongly think Tobi aka the masked man is actually Sasuke and Itachi's father! If you think about it, it makes sense if this masked man is Sasuke and Itachi's father. Let's say Itachi already knew about this, and the killing of his father in their home is just to deceive the young Sasuke. Or probably the killing of his father was just a genjutsu done by this masked man to deceive Itachi, not knowing that Itachi was well aware of it. Remember, Uchiha clan is tainted with deceit and backstabbing. The Uchiha's killed one another to gain power, namely the power of the ultimate sharingan. So there's no surprise if Sasuke and Itachi's father, who was the leader of the clan at the time of the clan massacre, is doing all of this to gain ultimate power for himself (Tsuki no me), and he's doing all of this under the name of "Uchiha Madara" just so that people get scared by hearing the name!
Let's say this speculation is true, when the Naruto series was to end, Sasuke, who is right now so stubborn and insists on bringing back the whole Uchiha clan, and insists to want to restore the name of Uchiha, would be crushed. When Sasuke learnt that this masked man is his father, he'd probably change his views on lots of things (makes it easier to end the story). I mean, think about it, and try to piece everything together, it would make so much sense, wouldn't it?
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i never taught that itachi and sasuke's father has sharingan eye???
@madara: ALL Uchiha's have sharingan. The only difference between them is the type of sharingan that they personally develop.
i think u might be right man. great theorie
No obito got resarected and his body was but together again not to mention kakashi recognize tobi the other thing was that tobi was stupid at first so maybe he reconized the way to behave
resarected? What is that?? Why do all the people commenting here seem to need spelling check LOL :P
hhhmmmm thats cool but why does tobi have wrinkles on his face ya know like he was crushed by a boulder
You get wrinkles by aging. Obito is around Kakashi's age, but Uchiha Fugaku is probably older than Yondaime. And there's a possibility that he got some nasty wrinkles from forbidden eye technique or something.
And Fugaku's wife knew Naruto's mom and knew she was pregnant which is how fugaku knew the seal weakens at that time
in the manga it is revealed that tobi was the one who trained itachi and helped him become strong enough to kill of the uchiha clan.....itachi also says tobi helped him as revenge against the uchiha for turning their backs on him all those years ago...this shuld be proof enough that tobi isnt fugaku who has been living along with the uchiha for years bt infact is someone who was banished or thrown out of the uchiha village...
iStrongly Still Believe That Tobi Is Obito, Tobi Probably Doesnt Realize That Sasuke Knows Kakashi So Itachi Implanted The Amaterasu To Keep Tobi's Identity Safe. Plus If Tobi Said He Was Madara BEFORE He Was About To Remove His Mask, Sasuke Would Not Recognize If He Was Madara Or Obito Because They Both "Died" Before Sasuke Was In The Picture. It Wouldint Make Sense If Tobi Was Sasuke's Father Because He Would Be Able To Tell Tobi Was Lying Because Sasuke Would Recognize His Father When Tobi Removes The Mask.
Kakashi's And Tobi's Sharingans Are Alike With The Power To Alter Space And Time. Did It Seem Odd To You That Kakashi Recognized Tobi?
Another Thing, Obito Lost His Left Eye, But As We Seen Through Many Uchihas Via Danzo, Sasuke, And Itachi, Uchiha Has The Power To Take Other People's Eyes And Use Them. Therefor, Obito Had The Oppertunity To Get A Sharingan Eye From An Uchiha The Night He And Itachi Wiped Out The Entire Uchiha Clan. But We'll Never Know Until Naruto Finally Reveals It
well said izzy
fuuuuuuh so suspenseful good write izzy
OK, so if Tobi is really Obito, can you tell me WHY on earth Obito would do something like this? What kind of grudges does he have against the whole Uchiha clan and Konoha? Please, this theory never makes any sense to me.
Tobi is not obito, Obito is around Kakashi's age and he was a student of fourth hokage.
Tobi is most probably Uchiha Fugaku
A few things. First, why is Tobi's eye always in Sharingan mode...note the only other Uchiha eyes that are always on are those that had them implanted. E.G. Kakashi and Danzo.
Also why did he always cover the other eye when it wasn't being used (which by the way looked like it was going blind) Also he no longer has it cover since getting Rinnegan, also implanted. After doing so he revealed that his latest jutsu, Izanagi, could only be performed by having both Uchiha and Senju DNA (by the way, Danzo whom had implants was the only other person shown to date that could perform Izanagi).
I'm not saying Tobi is either of the two I named. I just feel as though he is not necessarily an Uchiha, I feel for some reason he is not as old we think he is but he is well informed and most likely someone with a long history with Konoha, full of bad blood.
Total BULLSHIT!!! Tobi is Uchiha Madara. You guys are not at all being in the storyline. Tobi said that he fought Senju Hashirama to get his power. He wanted to be the second Sage of the Six Paths. It all makes sense. He's no other than Uchiha Madara!
Did Uchiha Fugaku fight Senju Hashirama? NO! And why the hell would he want Hashirama's power? And from where would he get it? The above post is total bullshit!
Is it just me, but hasn't Uchiha Madara been resurrected...to be resurrected you must die first?
Oh yeah and when Kabuto approached him about teaming up...was it not Madras's body Kabuto showed him to make Tobi accept him.
And from what I've gathered through most of Tobi's speach he hints that he's not Madara; like when he tells naruto that he's nobody...and that he don't wanna be anybody.
I'm not sure if PhoeniX is reading the manga? We all KNEW Tobi claimed himself as "Uchiha Madara". *SPOILER ALERT* But that is the thing in the PAST now, because in the Fourth Ninja War (which CURRENTLY is still going on in the Naruto manga AS OF NOW), the REAL Uchiha Madara was being revived by Kabuto's Edo Tensei technique. In order to be revived by Edo Tensei, you must already be DEAD. So the REAL Uchiha Madara is already DEAD. Got it, PhoeniX??!
PhoeniX is full of shyte. Just saying. Lol.
rubbish!!!it cant be sasuke and itachi's father.come on !! be practical.if u want 2 know how ask me!!!!!!!
This doesn't make one bit of sense. Itachi himself has the Mangekyo sharingan. If he was caught in a genjutsu, he would sense it and be able to destroy it. Also, if he was in a genjutsu, how could he have killed all the other clan members? Itachi also knew that he had to kill his father, so he would have actually done it. Also, Itachi spoke to the masked man before he killed the clan, and his father was still inside the house.
Uchia Madara being sasuke father... makes perfect sense... itachi himself said that the Uchia clan was ploting against KONHOA, being the chief of the police he could easily get acess to the location of the cavern where naruto was born. Minato himself find very odd how he did get by security at that time. But if sasukes father is alive e could be the responsabile of Uchia Clan Massacre, and to protect is liltle brother from the truth Itach took the blame of the incindent, he even try to protect is brother from the truth again when planted amaterasu on Sasukes eye to kill Tobi. Uchia memebers can achieve higher power when they kill their bretheren. perhaps, that is motivation of all this. Sorry for my bad English
you guys will just say hair dye but why is tobi and fugaku hair different if they are the same person
Also it is also said that tobi took control of the fourth mizukage so how could he be with Itachi and Sasuke if that happened. I mean he can not be at two places at the same time and everyone seen how strict the uchiha clan is if you do not intend the meatings.
like pain the sage of the six paths can make another person of them selves on any body ... so let me ask you dont think uchiha madara a sage of the six paths would do that before he died? and thats why in an episode he says thaat hes not hes complete self.... come on right in front of your faces........
toby must be someone realy old so it cant be obito or shisui.....when toby unmasked himself in front of kisame he sais mizukage sama madara but maybe toby comfused the whole mist vilage that he is madara......the best answer is that toby is someone new....new charakter a story which will be revealed later
I think tobi must be obito, name is similar, hair is exactly the same, personality is basically the same, kakashi recognises ghs mmask only shows ONE eye until he gets the the rinnigan, no one actually knows if obito actually died it last viewed him as he was dyin not actually dead, and if obito was kikashis age then why couldnt he train itachi and go under a new persona its possible? And if it was madara uchiha why would he want nagatos rinnigan when he had one eye evolve into the rinnigan after his fight with the 1st hokage? obito uchiha seems like the best answer as to who tobi is.
I have no definitive idea about who tobi is but I know who he isn't :
cannot be obito: first of all even if obito didn't die back when he gave his eye to Kakashi, he was too young to be able to control the Kyuubi to attack the village 16 yrs ago. second of all while fighting against Konan not only does he use izanagi which requires the user to have DNA from the first hokage but Konan during her attack broke a part of the mask revealing a sharingan in his left eye. On top of that tobi is the one controlling the 4th mizukage at a time Obito was still a gennin.
As for saske's dad the uchiha weren't even considering to plan a coup when the Kyuubi attack happened, actually it was because of the attack that shit started to stir between the uchiha and the konoha higher ups. plus Sasuke's
has absolutely no motive to wipe out the Uchiha.
as mentioned in the post by "payattention" Tobi's eye is always in sharingan mode which means that the eye was transplanted. which means tobi is either someone outside the uchiha clan or an uchiha that needed to have an eye replaced (like madara's brother or shisui), we can already eliminate shisui who could with a single genjutsu get anything he wanted so no need for attacks or planing and he was also just a bit older than itatchi's which again means too young when the first attack happened.
so far here are the only (IMO) logical suspects:
madara's brother Izuna: he would require a fresh pair of eyes after his brother Madara took his, + while explaining the story of itatchi to sasuke as Madara he shows more intense feeling when talking about his brother's sacrifice (giving the eye to Madara), then when speaking of Madara's story. as well it seems that from the last few chapters that Madara hates everything and anything that has to do with the senju yet Tobi spoke of hashimara with respect and admiration.
that's for my first suspect.
my last suspect is a Zetsu/ Madara clone. I know it would be a lame story line if it was just just a plant based clone of Madara's. but it seems it would explain a lot of things:
while fighting against the 4th hokage he loses an arm and bleeds a white gew.
would explain the meaning of a lot of those crazy sentences he uses "I wish to become whole again", and "I am no one and I don't wish to be any one", even Itatchi says "Madara is just a former shell of himself"
I think you get my point... I would love to hear your comments on my theories.
Really great theory, Pats, very insightful. What I wrote on the article above is all just "theory", so other insightful theories like Pats' are welcomed to be discussed here. However, for a lot of reasons, I still personally reject the UCHIHA OBITO theory. Tobi CANNOT be Obito no matter how you look at it.
Anyway, going back to Pats' theory, it would make sense if Tobi is just a Madara "clone", created the same way Zetsu did. Maybe Masashi Kishimoto will add some spice to the plot and make it far more interesting that how it sounds right now, who knows?
Itachi wouldnt have allowed his father to live, the only reason sasuke is still alive is because Itachi couldnt bring him self around to take his life. The Uchiha clan was going to take over the Leaf village, and Itachi was the biggest fricken loyalist to the leaf. It cant be obito because it is shown that tobi has both eyes, and he uses his left eye to use izanagi. It also cant be izuna because Madara took both his eyes and his brother died in combat. Its just as tobi said, he is nobody, he has no identity and no name. Hes just using the name Madara to strike fear into his enemies. One idea someone came up with is that Sasuke is going to develop a time warp power with his eye, kinda like what tobi is able to do. Naruto has become so powerful and fast that the writers needed to level the playing field, so whos to say that tobi isnt actually Sasuke from the future. But what you need to do to figure out who the real tobi is, is this. He said that inorder to use izanagi, you must be of the uchiha clan as well as the senju clan. He is very old and very powerful, im sure that thers a record of him somewhere by a different name. One weird thing is when he tore off his arm, it looked as if it was made of clay, so maybe tobi isnt even real. One big thing that gave away that tobi wasnt madara uchiha, Madara is able to switch back and forth between his sharingan and his rennigan where tobi had to implant it into his left eye. So with all this there are any number of people it could be, but the one thing you need to remember is that when the writers say someone is dead....their pretty much dead unless you see them die in the show. If thats the case then its possible they could come back to life.
To "payattention" only an Uchiha can preform Izanagi. Itachi constantly has his shiringan out and this is just because he has the ability to use it without wasting alot of power. Its impossible for tobi to be the real Madara because when kabuto uses edi tensi, it reveals that the REAL Madara has been dead, and Tobi even says that he isnt who he has said he was.
i think tobi is The Sage Of Six Path son ..
People listen. I honestly think that no one knows exactly who Tobi is, but from what I've gathered; it could either be Obito or Shisui. Shisui is believed to be dead, but like you said, the Uchiha are backstabbing deceivers. So, it could be a total sham and be Shisui. Then again it could be Obito. If you ever noticed, Obito and Kakashi have the same ocular power. They can both teleport things to other dimensions, and its been said that each Sharingan is different; their's aren't that much different at all. Tobi's is just more refined. Your theory does make sense, but I don't think Tobi is Sasuke's dad. Good stuff btw ^^
one thing for sure tobi is not a real uchiha at all.
Good one, bakabobcat. You're the first person to say the "reason" it might be Obito or Shisui, that Uchiha's are backstabbers and deceivers, so they can be nice and kind in the beginning of the story and could be a totally different person on the next chapter. Everyone else just kept on saying it's Obito bla bla but never came up with "reasons" why Obito (or whoever) might be plotting all this.
ok this is my theory and i love to hear what you guys think. Ok well i think there are two good theories to well my 1st theory is tobi is not an uchiha because i mean throughtout the whole series no matter what ever uchiha has done there signature fireball move atleast once i have yet to see tobi do tht move which means he stole his eyes which could explain why when giving sasukes itaches eyes he had a bunch in the back ground where he get these from my answer is the massacre from itachi i mean they never said what they did wit all those dead bodies that night lol....my second theory is tobi is the son of madara which made tobi go by the name and explains where he gets his hatred you know the saying like father like son and when the real madara was revealed he couldnt go by that name anymore so he called himself a nobody i mean if ur father was known as the greatest ninja of all times im pretty sure you would not wanna be reconized as his son cause then people would compare you to your dad and that probably drove him crazy and made him fell like he will always be in his fathers shadow know matter what and i mean they made it clear that the two individuals know eachother which explains tobi's age makes sense because the only other person revealed to fight madara and survive was that one kage with the dust release and the guy is really old when shown at the kage summit which means him and tobi are around the same age
@bakabobcat . Your theory made me think, couldn't this masked man have just transplanted obito's eye into himself? It has been done countless times, that could explain why his powers are similar to Kakashi's
That theory with Sasuke's dad is really interesting.If it's true it would be cool because their parents fought and now sasuke and naruto are going to duke it out by the end as well. Also, i don't know if this was mentioned but the chance of obito being Tobi is next to impossible. If you look back and remember that tobi fought with naruto's father, the 4th hokage. At this time he was what,14 years old? He could not be all grown up like tobi was when this occurred.I don't think it fits the time line. Also, why would he want to fight his sensei? The man who taught him so much,and probably had a relationship with his students close to the same way jaraiya had with naruto.
Nice work! crusslom, you have said everything I wanna say to say to prove that uchicha obito is really not tobi.
And about the Tobi is Uchicha Madara's son is pretty much unbelievable, Madara never married right. So it could just be his Uchicha Izuna, Madara's brother.You guys will say that Izuna gave his eyes to Madara and he is now blind.But thats just perfect because they said that tobi's eyes are always at sharingan mode (though im not sure if his left eye is) and this is only possible for transplanted sharingans so Izuna must've gotten new transplanted
sharingan eyes because well he is the second strongest in the uchicha clan.
Basically everyone who has shut down the Uchiha Fugaku theory (Sasuke & Itachi's father) so far has used 2 arguments.
1. Itachi killed him and you see his dead body.
I didn't bother reading all the posts so I dunno if anyone mentioned this but it could've easily been a zetsu clone like how Kisame faked his death.
2. He has no motive to kill the Uchiha because he wanted them to take control of the village blah blah blah.
I think it's pointless arguing about the motives of anyone because we never know the true motives anyone has until they're revealed. I mean if someone posted up here that Itachi really killed the Uchiha cos of his loyalty to the village before we found it out we would all be like stfu retard.
As much as I think it would be a little bit cheesy if he turns out to be the dad you can't ignore the fact that both of Sasuke's parents are missing during the ninetales attack and that Minato told his mum that she was pregnant.
Okay I like the idea of Tobi being Fugaku Uchiha, but there are a few things I feel don't really add up with this theory.
First of all, Fugaku was described as being an extremely serious man. Remember back when Tobi was first introduced? As the looney, wacko nutcase? How on earth could Fugaku ever act like that. It is just impossible. It defies everything that his character is made of and Kishi write the story in a way that meant Fugaku ever acted like that.
Secondly, I know it has been said that both Fugaku and his wife were absent during the Nine Tails Attack on the Leaf Village, and while I can't say where he was, and why he was absent, I just don't know why he would do that. If anything he should have mobilized the Uchiha to work in tandem with the attack, and used the Nine Tails to have a successful coup, not simply have it attack the whole village with no plan or purpose. I bet Uchiha died in the attack, why would he want that? I think there is a good chance though that Tobi was in contact with Fugaku. I think the two may have been in contact. Who knows, maybe Tobi was controlling Fugaku with his sharingan and that is how he found out about Kushina's pregnancy. Maybe Tobi put the idea about rebellion into Fugaku's head (which would make sense seeing as the Uchiha had already made peace with the Senju. They weren't simply Senju and Uchiha anymore but one Ninja Village made up of several clans including the Hyuga, Akimichi, Aburame, and Nara. All this is another story though and a crazy idea I'm having, not necessarily a
theory based on fact).
Lastly, in the manga, after Madara gets resurrected, he steps out of his coffin and says, "This must be HIS doing". An ambiguous statement, he could have been referring to his resurrection or the war itself, but it must have been someone Madara knew during his lifetime. It is impossible then to say it could be Fugaku.
While I like this theory, I still can't get past the evidence and still hold on to my belief that Tobi is indeed Izuna.
When Itachi implanted the amaterasu into Sasuke, I don't think it was meant to keep Sasuke from seeing Tobi's face, it was meant to keep him from seeing Tobi's sharingan. In that case, it doesn't matter who it was. Izuna is the only one to have intimate knowledge of Madara, the founding of the villages, the Uchiha, the Sage of Six Paths, and the tailed beasts. He is the only one who has the motive and enough power to see it through. So long as he is a character that has been introduced to us before, I think Izuna is the only logical answer.
OMG! All of the facts about Tobi make my world spinning. However, i think that tobi might be madara clone or something like that. There is no way that tobi is fugaku or obito. Thats ridiculous.
It might be Kagami Uchiha :S ....
Tobi if he's a previous character is one of these Uchiha:
Fugaku
Obito
Shisui
Kagami
ok i love all then comments. but it could be obito. same powers as kakahi's sharingan, just that he warps himself or others in close range combat. maybe he unlocked it when he was stuck under the boulder. kakashi left him. or madara's brother, izuna may have never died and implanted obito's eye
i think tobi could be one of the sons of the sage of the sixth paths the son who wasnt left the legacy
kabuto has madaras body under edo tensei so we know it cant be him and the dead madara said he was aware of tobis existence which does reinforce the fact they are seperate beings. weve seen that tobi is able to use both the sharingan and renningan so we know he has a connection to the uchiha bloodline also the fact that we never see tobi with his sharingan inactive does reinforce the possibility that he wasnt born with them however it could be the case that he is just following itachis route of just keeping them active all the time and because tobi hasnt shown any tiredness or fatigue when using the sharingan unlike kakashi so we can say tobi does have a solid connection with the uchiha bloodline if not being born with a sharingan, and when tobi was fighting naruto it was mentioned that narutos clones fought another madara so tobi now said that he was nobody. furthermore in his fight with konan tobi said that he gave the eyes to nagato and that they were his to begin with which we could assume means that he was born with them and because he said he gave the eyes to nagato and further added that they were a way of reviving him we could assume that in the past he gave the eyes to others as well just as a back up plan incase he did perish. the son who was born with the eyes has the motive as he wasnt left the legacy by the sage of the sixth paths. you maybe thinking that if this son was alive he must be really old by now and this is where it has been noticed that tobi seems quite aged e.g. tobi has bags under his eyes suggesting he is quite old so he had to have developed some sort of immortality technique and because he is the son of the sage of the sixth paths who has uchiha and senju decendents it could be deduced that tobi developed an early form of wood release technique but that part is a bit shakey. this leads us to a fight tobi had against fu and tornue and when tobis arm got infected by chakra eating bugs which he they ripped off showing some white stuff, i believe this white stuff is connected to zetsu who was made from the first hokages cells and tobi used this white stuff to some how extend his life e.g. replace body part that were no longer funtioning and if it turns out the white stuff from tobis arm is connected to zetsu it can be safely said that tobi can use wood release techniques, zetsu also has the ability to absorb the chakra of someone and create a perfect copy so why not a perfect copy of a body part which means if tobi is who i think he is then it could be boarding on being a way to achieve immortality and because it was said that zetsu was created from the 1st hokages cells if zetsu dies tobi would just make another one as he has hashirama on ice and right at the very start when the sage of the sixths paths didnt leave his legacy to the son with the eyes the son with the eyes sholdered a grudge towards the other son so there is a motive. i think there are a few holes in this theory but i cant really see any major ones.
nufoundglory and bakabobcat good one, but shuisui gave his eyes to itachi(as he said), then he died. After that Itachi met Tobi in forests then for shisui is tobi is(near to impossible)
He can be Izuna..??--Because no information is yet we have about him(izuna), plotting him at this point of manga will raise the interest and writting subject for writers(ok leave this reason)
All we know about madara uchiha was told by Tsuchikage, or any other character, Madara himself said nothing about him.
Moreover, Tobi looks older as Izuna is truely an old guy...what you all say??
Tobi might be danzo and the danzo sasuke killed was a clone think tobi had the room full of eyes where did danzo get all the eyes he has and danzo was part of the group that sent itachi to the massacre.itachi recognized tobi because he was a anbu and danzo was very strong why wasn't he ressurected also itachi knows sasuke would recognize danzo and danzo keeps his right eye covered tobi keeps the left hmmm danzo will be tobi
Kakashi was a ambulance also and recognized Tobi to be danzo
Damn auto correct I meant kakashi was a anbu and recognized tobi also so it's got to be danzo and the other was a clone that's why he had the1st cells like madara and danzo and tobi both use inzanagi
So far you guys have some good theories. I think Tobi as Uchiha Izuna is also very possible.
Someone mentioned Tobi could be someone who is NOT an Uchiha, I think this is a good possibility too. Remember when Tobi attacked Konan, he said, to be able to use Izanagi, someone must have the blood of Uchiha AND Senju.
We all know Tobi has the First Hokage's cells in his lair and has planted the First's cells on him, and that's how he was able to use Izanagi. So it's not impossible that he might've been using the SAME technique to acquire body cells of an Uchiha and plant it on himself. IF Tobi ends up not an Uchiha, I think it'll be quite a niche plot twist. Can't wait to find out who this "TOBI" really is.
Alot of interesting theories, but alot of people have easily ruled out Obito. Fugaku, and even Kagami makes some sense, considering that Kagami, and Fugaku would probably be at an advanced age at this point. But I haven't seen one theory about it being a possibly new person that no one even knows about. It's a little far fetch'd, but I'm not against the idea of Tobi being a completely different character whom no one has been introduced to and is just using the name Madara to put fear into the hearts of all the other shinobi.
i am agree that tobi is sasuke father's maybe 90%
I also have my own theory that Tobi could be BUDOY :D
I think it is not obito but this tobi is a powerful shinobi to be able to capture hashirama senju we don't know naruto's full power now that he has the sage of six paths necklace.
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well, idk if this could be possibly. but naruto never did want to fight sasuke to the death he wants his friend to live. and kakashi's eye can alter time and space. and naruto in his bijuu form he can supperate the bad from people. so what if he took all the darkness from sasuke after defeating him allowing kakashi to send dark sasuke to the past. and itachi is the only one that knows who tobi is but wont allow sasuke to know. just a theory
oh yeah, did anyone else realise there were two tobis.
tobi with long hair, and tobi with short hair. theres a rumor that madara saved obito before he died and trained him. then to find his identy madara made up tobi. attacked the 4th, then obito returns as tobi countuein the legacy of madara. thats why recenty, the real madara said to tobi. "so you kept your promise"' and also " you've grown havent you" just think about it
@nobody: hmm....very interesting theories. I like the Sasuke theory, it'd be a major plot twist if it turns out like that. The Obito theory does make sense too, but the things that Madara said there could ALSO be said to the "Sasuke" in your Sasuke theory, it would make sense too, right? Interesting indeed.
WTH i nt sure wat are the differences btw Tobi and masked man? masked man can summonded the 9 tailed but tobi cant? what is the identify of tobi and masked man?
Maybe he is secretly an elf from a magical land that is somehow worked into the storyline.
But seriously, from what I've seen, I think that it is safe to assume that Tobi isn't Uchiha Madara, because when Kabuto showed him the sixth coffin (which I assume to be Uchiha Madara's dead body), it seemed to me as though Tobi was only agreeing to work with Kabuto so that his secret would not be revealed. And I think that Madara knows who the real Tobi is. As for who I believe him to be, I can't really say for sure. I personally don't think it's Sasuke/Itachi's father, or Obito. Izuna seems to be the one I'm favoring at the moment. Least thats what I think.
IT CANT BE SASUKES DAD, ITACHI KILLED HIM! SASUKE SAW IT WITH HIS OWN EYES!!
I think Tobi is a Puppet..
i think tobi's real identity is uchiha shisui. He was itachi's friend that died so itachi can regain mangekyou but i doubt shisui is dead became his body was never recovered and if you see shisui hair almost the same with tobi's hair.
its ten tails re-incarnate tryin to get its powers bk it was born from the sage so posseses both senju and uchiha blood for the izanagi the sage's story states tht he thinks the ten tails will be back to threaten the world again and naruto is suposed to be the saviour that brings all the tailed beasts 2geva again unite them against obv ten tails ITS NOT OBITO OR SHISUI ITACHI KILLED SHISUI TO POSSESS MANGEKYO BUT IT COULD QUITE POSSIBLY BE A NEXT LEVEL ZETSU WITH SUM BODY AND MIND JUTSU THT GIVS U ALL MEMORIES AND CONTROL OVER THE CLONE OR HE IS THE ORIGINAL ZETSU.
WOT I WANNA KNOW IS HU IS THE BLACK ZETSU AND WEN DID THE ZESU BECUM SEPERATE BEINS WIV 1 BODY STRANGE ABILITY!
yahahaha , Tobi is a Clonning of Madara Uchiha , NOT REAL MADARA UCHIHA , Black Zetsu Who 's Control a Cell On Tobi As Madara Uchiha , Look at Real Madara Uchiha release Back to life with Edo Tensei , So , Tobi Is A Clonning MADARA UCHIHA who's Controlled by Black Zetsu
Just facts...many choices and contradictions (but that's Naruto for you)
1. He showed his face to Kisame, who said he was Madara.
2. He wanted Nagato's final jutsu to be used on him, implying that he is dead
3. Tobi's body isn't real, more like Zetsu's
4. He knows too much about Madara and the Uchiha chan
5. The Real Madara spoke of his body having a secret to Kabuto when he was resurrected.
6. Only Madara can summon the tailed beast
7. Tobi claimed to have given the rinnegan to Nagato, yet Madara was the only ninja to awaken the rinnegan, so the only person who could 'give' it to him?
8. Tobi has control over space and time, so age isn't a factor, if it's Obito, he can learn to master his jutsu within a short amount of time within his realm. Likewise, Izuna, can stay within this realm until he is ready - I assume.
9. Tobi's jutsu should be renowned, but with no legacy of Madara or anybody else having it, it could be someone who didn't have the chance to use it
10. Naruto has not done anything to him, the primary villain, so it is unlike he'll defeat him. Meaning he has a greater connection to another character.
11. Tobi has both the Uchiha and Senju powers, Madara didn't. However, Tobi claimed his/Madara fight with H. Senju was to get his.
12. Konan asked who he was was after discovering this, so it is suppose to be a big reveal, someone we know.
13. He told Kakashi he wants to 'be complete'
14. Tobi thinks of himself as 'No One' (as a mere clone would, neither the real Madara or a fictitious Tobi)
15. There has already have one twist to who the mastermind was when it was originally thought that Pain was the leader. So, Zetsu being the real leader is too desperate.
16. Telling the audience it's Madara then it ends up as Sasuke and Itachi's father would be...lame. Why wouldn't they recognise him? Itachi may have went with it before the massacre but Sasuke would recognise his own dad! Also, again, the leaf ninja would know he jutsu.
With this written, I personally think he is Madara's clone but has something to do with Obito. Madara, like most of the other Uchihas - too isolated; no real link to any of the main characters. But Obito on the other hand is Kakashi's former teammate, the person who gave him his eye, a student of Naruto's father. It would be more ideal if it was to have him (or his clone) as the villain.
hey don't you think it can be shisui uchiha as it is his death is not show clearly and plus he was itachi's master in genjutsu and one more thing he is also called shisui the teleporter he can also use ts ninjutsu
The problem with Shisui is that Danzo had his right eye, I read his jutsu was that he moved at great speed from one location to another rather than actually teleporting. And, IF this volume is ending soon, as Tobi is fighting Naruto, Kakashi, Guy and Killer Bee --- Obito (a Madara Clone or...something) seems more likely
i think that uchiha madara is tobi such that when madara fought hashirama(first hokage) it is said to be that he lost and died in the battle but that is incorrect because there might be a possibility that madara used izanagi(jutsu danzo used in his fight with sasuke) cause when madara watched the fight and saw danzo use izanagi he wasnt suprised infact explained it, guys might be correct cause he uses one side than the other but madara probably used his right eye for the justu and he might be up to be a hundred years old but it doesnt change he fact, madara uchiha is tobi
freat theory and all but wouldn't sasuke have recognized his own fathers voice
is there any possibility that tobi was orochimaru all along
actually tobi is shinji kagawa..
It couldn't b him because their eyes are made totally different in shape an it couldn't b obito because he was minatos student an the masked man and Man fought and he was grown
Ayy, you do remember when the masked man showed his face to Kisame?! Kisame said he was glad that the man whDo was pulling the strings was the masked man or how he said : '' former lord Mizukage'' . So look into this :)
The masked man is an uzumaki! Who else to have revenge against the world than an uzumaki? there entire village and populace were wiped out due to the fact that they are the best when it comes to summoning or sealing jutsus. Also, Uzumakis are known for there longevity which explains the wrinkly face behind the mask. It is also said that that uzumakis are related to the senju clan which explains the rinnegan. Also, when tobi was fighting the 4th hokage, tobi knew how the 4th traveled so fast, by summoning himself to a different location. this is just a theory. And tobi is not obito!
But one question, did itachi actually have the power at the time to decieve sasuke into thinking his father was dead? (probably a dumb question) and if tobi(father) was teamed up with itachi, why would he allow him to chase and theoretically kill sasuke? (yes itachi was testing sasuke in death)but if so, why wouldnt tobi(father) do his best to stop him...as well, why would the strongest sharigan member allow himself to be pushed around by diedara? (i spelled him name wrong so badly, and sorry if my questions are stupid)
I bet you Kishimoto is laughing somewhere saying "i know who he is and im not gonna tell you" lol, but on a serious note i don't believe it is obito. I ask you this, Why would Obito seek revenge on the hidden leaf? Another question arises, how would he possibley attack Minato and Kushina during naruto's birth? If you recall he was Minato's student, and probably died before naruto was born, i don't see it happening. It is probably a piece of Madara left behinde or it is Fugaku.
I think it is one of the ridoku senin son.cause ive seen a website that says that tobi is overly angry(very very angry) that naruto has the ridoku senins necklase.remember he told konan that he is the next ridoku senin.so it is possible for it to be one of the ridoku senin son
I think Tobi. Is an real uchiha half with zetsu.. Just Madara DNA with zetsu -White- when he loses body parts.. he just gets a new one.! And you see some kind of white slime :D.!!
Tobi isn't Obito. Bare with me here. Edo Madara thought Nagato was the one who brought him back. "So it finally happened. It appears that brat Nagato managed to grow." Edo Madara obviously knew he was going to be resurrected. After Nagato died, Tobi said "Nagato was supposed to use his Gedo Art of Rebirth for me." Edo Madara and Tobi have the same Eye of the Moon plan as well. Edo Madara also knows who Tobi is. Nagato was a kid during the 2nd Ninja World War while Obito died at 12 or 13 in the 3rd Ninja World War. Since Edo Madara and Tobi had this plan all along since Nagato was a kid, Tobi can't be Obito or Fugaku.
Here's a theory what if it has something to do with the fight the real madarra had with the first hokage? They never showed or said how the battle truly ended. They just said Madarra lost.Also when he fought the fourth hokage was he able to use jutsu's then? Bc if he couldnt that means that had to be a zetsu clone. So my next theory would be zetsu was created from the battle. Then he killed the real madarra taking madarra's eyes.
not true because itachi only implanted the fire thing in sasuke because he didn't want sasuke to get controlled by the sharingan. the fiery thing activates whenever sasuke sees madara's sharingan..
so wat i think is that madara is the sage of six paths.
because theSO6P was the creator of all ninjutsu. its a chance that he is immortal
Well, I personally think that Fugaku is Tobi. Zetsu can copy and become anyone in terms of appearance. Zetsu did that with Kisame, why not for Fugaku? If you make yourself look dead the suspicion of being Tobi is withdrawn, no? Think about it, Zetsu is a loyal subordinate of Tobi, if Tobi is really Fugaku, then Zetsu would make a clone of him for his master to fake death and appear to be dead in order to go on with plans. How is it far fetched? Obito would have no grudge against Konoha for any reason at all, he died with valor saving his comrades. He died, Tobi isn't dead.
It's NOT Obito, it's not Danzo, it's not Shisui or Madara's brother, and Tobi isn't Madara, it's Fugaku.
Roos 3 months ago
WOW! I really like your way of thinking! And it sure would be awesome if tobi was sasuke and itachi's father!